Banned without a valid reason/unjustly banned

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Hello. I was banned for supposedly "Disobeying the rules" by moderator "Mr.Hax."

So because of this vague reason (note how he didn't even state the rule broken, how sloppy) I can only assume he perma'd me because I broke the "no re-creating 9/11 rule."

So here's the scoop: Yes, I WAS flying a plane into a building. BUT I was NOT re-creating 9/11. I was instead re-creating THIS Completely different. I feel that if he was actually offended by this he should have warned me before he banned me. In addition to myself, user "dashie" was perma'd for the exact same reason. I'd like to see him un-banned as well.

So, unless you have anything else to present, I think there is little evidence/reason for my ban.

Oh and here's a snip to the sourceban post, because I'm nice like that.

I await your response.
 
You are so crazy. You were flying a mosquito into the building and you and Dashie were talking about recreating 9/11, and I heard you talking about doing it. Cast recommend me banning you perma, and recreating 9/11 will result in a perma ban. And why did I hear you even think about recreating the deadly PA Amtrak crash too? Also, you were criticizing me, like you were a staff member, and I was a user!
I was going to edit the ban message, but, I wasn't given my new SourceBans Username/Password yet!
You were talking about everything 9/11 and nothing about this "Empire State Building Thing"
 
Mr. Hax said:
You are so crazy. You were flying a mosquito into the building and you and Dashie were talking about recreating 9/11, and I heard you talking about doing it. Cast recommend me banning you perma, and recreating 9/11 will result in a perma ban. And why did I hear you even think about recreating the deadly PA Amtrak crash too? Also, you were criticizing me, like you were a staff member, and I was a user!
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What I was trying to say is that If re-creating 9/11 is banned, why can't we re-creating other act of terrorism as well? You appear to have little regard for the rule itself and just insist on banning people that decide to crash planes. I stated multiple times that I was re-creating the b-25 event and NOT 9/11. Me and dashie were having a friendly discussion about how the rule is useless and that if they really wanted to do something they should just ban crashing planes/other vehicles all together! That is all I have to add. If you seriously think that crashing planes=9/11 then maybe you need to look at all the OTHER events that have taken place involving aircraft and buildings.

hyperedit: Also I was talking about it. Mostly before you got in the server.
 
Why did you criticize me and everything, and you were talking about 9/11. Epson will hear about this.
 
Mr. Hax said:
Why did you criticize me and everything, and you were talking about 9/11. Epson will hear about this.
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Yes, I WAS talking about 9/11. I was NOT re-enacting it. Do you see how talking and re-creating 9/11 is different?
 
I heard reports from earlier in the day of you and dashie recreating 9/11.
 
cast said:
I heard reports from earlier in the day of you and dashie recreating 9/11.
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Was it from "truck driver"? That guy has something against me or some shit. Did they mention the part where I clearly said I was re-creating the b-25 empire state building event?
 
Ahem. Dashie Here, Sorry i'm late c:

cast said:
I heard reports from earlier in the day of you and dashie recreating 9/11.
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It would seem that your buddy has given you some false information. Please, Sit down and have a look at the servers log, you will see that my Steam ID (STEAM_0:0:48682119) has only connected just today, and was only connected for a little under an hour before this unjustified ban. Making that comment irrelevant. :p

On another note, Space_Walker has pretty much covered what happened. Not to mention that Mr. Hax did not put a proper ban reason within sourcebans, and didn't justify this accusation with any evidence (Pictures, Videos, Audio and or Logs).
 
After reading these post all I have to say is WOW.. I'm not a staff member of this server or have any authority on this matter but I just want to add that re-creating events such as what happened on 9/11 is shameful and disrespectful to those people that lost there lives and to those still suffering. I do realize we are all here to play games and have some creative fun and sometimes do things that we cant do in reality but even on the internet we have boundary we just don't cross, That rule is in place for a very good reason and is one of the first things you see once you connect to the server so you CANNOT tell me you weren't advised of the rule!. As far as i'm concerned re-creating any event in this matter is not "in good fun" and would make me question your fit on this server.

Like I said I have no real authority on this matter but I will stand up for staff members making the right call , we don't support that kind of behavior around here and never will.

Just my 2 cents.
 
I believe that you should have been physically kicked to show how urgent we take this rule before placing a "permanent" ban. My staff appear to be "perma" banning everyone instead of putting time restraints on them. I see a lot of prop pushers, prop drivers, etc that are getting permanently banned.. I would rather like to see maybe 30 days or something so at least in the future they may be able to return saving everyone some work.

It's never nice to ban people from an entire community without at least giving them time to rectify (fix) the problem. Yes, I myself tend to permanently ban people to idiotic reasons but hey I pay the server bills every month and run this community. I will have to address my staff and clear up the instant permanent bans with no real warnings or permanent bans for something so stupid as prop driving.

We do have access to all of the logs, video and audio of each player on our servers and I really don't want to have to dig into this situation. Either you meant to do it on purpose to piss everyone off, or it was an accident. I would speak now before I have to get involved, because once that happens I generally don't lift the ban. If you admit you were intending to re-create 9/11.. it will greatly help you right now before I have to find out myself.

I'll give you 24 hours to reply to this before I have to dig into it, and by that point I will be so pissed off that I might just say screw it and close this thread.

Moral of the story being, if there is a rule against the 9/11 event.. it's generally best to NOT BRING IT UP AT ALL because in the gaming world and on the public internet words get put into the wrong context (heard incorrectly) and things like this happen. The ban will remain in place until I have received a reply from the OP (Original Poster).



EDIT: To prevent issues like this in the future I have placed a eye-opening post in our staff area on the website. All staff have been warned, and updated on how TBB does things.
 
Xer0n said:
I believe that you should have been physically kicked to show how urgent we take this rule before placing a "permanent" ban. My staff appear to be "perma" banning everyone instead of putting time restraints on them. I see a lot of prop pushers, prop drivers, etc that are getting permanently banned.. I would rather like to see maybe 30 days or something so at least in the future they may be able to return saving everyone some work.

It's never nice to ban people from an entire community without at least giving them time to rectify (fix) the problem. Yes, I myself tend to permanently ban people to idiotic reasons but hey I pay the server bills every month and run this community. I will have to address my staff and clear up the instant permanent bans with no real warnings or permanent bans for something so stupid as prop driving.

We do have access to all of the logs, video and audio of each player on our servers and I really don't want to have to dig into this situation. Either you meant to do it on purpose to piss everyone off, or it was an accident. I would speak now before I have to get involved, because once that happens I generally don't lift the ban. If you admit you were intending to re-create 9/11.. it will greatly help you right now before I have to find out myself.

I'll give you 24 hours to reply to this before I have to dig into it, and by that point I will be so pissed off that I might just say screw it and close this thread.

Moral of the story being, if there is a rule against the 9/11 event.. it's generally best to NOT BRING IT UP AT ALL because in the gaming world and on the public internet words get put into the wrong context (heard incorrectly) and things like this happen. The ban will remain in place until I have received a reply from the OP (Original Poster).
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I know myself that I did not make any jokes about September 11th 2001, it was a horrible event, one of my family members was affected by it. I am just questioning the motive to my obserd ban, as I did not make such jokes, or even drive any vehicles inside the game into the "twin towers" as depicted in gm_bigcity. I believe Mr. Hax banned me in conjunction with Space_Walker while I was defending his case before he banned us both, as he thought he saw us drive vehicles into the buildings, and were joking about the subject. But that is just from my point. As Space still needs to respond.

To make things clear and in short.

I believe I was banned for trying to defend space_walker from Mr. Hax's misconception of the issue, as we were asking Hax why the rule was in place before he banned us.
 
Xer0n said:
I believe that you should have been physically kicked to show how urgent we take this rule before placing a "permanent" ban. My staff appear to be "perma" banning everyone instead of putting time restraints on them. I see a lot of prop pushers, prop drivers, etc that are getting permanently banned.. I would rather like to see maybe 30 days or something so at least in the future they may be able to return saving everyone some work.

It's never nice to ban people from an entire community without at least giving them time to rectify (fix) the problem. Yes, I myself tend to permanently ban people to idiotic reasons but hey I pay the server bills every month and run this community. I will have to address my staff and clear up the instant permanent bans with no real warnings or permanent bans for something so stupid as prop driving.

We do have access to all of the logs, video and audio of each player on our servers and I really don't want to have to dig into this situation. Either you meant to do it on purpose to piss everyone off, or it was an accident. I would speak now before I have to get involved, because once that happens I generally don't lift the ban. If you admit you were intending to re-create 9/11.. it will greatly help you right now before I have to find out myself.

I'll give you 24 hours to reply to this before I have to dig into it, and by that point I will be so pissed off that I might just say screw it and close this thread.

Moral of the story being, if there is a rule against the 9/11 event.. it's generally best to NOT BRING IT UP AT ALL because in the gaming world and on the public internet words get put into the wrong context (heard incorrectly) and things like this happen. The ban will remain in place until I have received a reply from the OP (Original Poster).



EDIT: To prevent issues like this in the future I have placed a eye-opening post in our staff area on the website. All staff have been warned, and updated on how TBB does things.
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Look I'm not trying to glorify 9/11. I understand that it was a serious thing that happened. I don't think that me or dashie were out to offend anyone, the bottom line is I don't think that admins should be trigger-happy about people just smashing planes without a purpose/obviously not trying to start something. I'm not a staff member but I feel that advertising in big red letters NOT to re-create 9/11 because one person did it only makes problems. Such as in the case of this. Though I've never seen someone do it, I think it would be best if problems such as those were dealt with quietly (again just my two cents, take them or leave them.)
 
I did mention to EpicEpson a few days ago that it's probably not a good idea to have that rule advertised or even try to enforce it unless people are clearly speaking of the incident while doing it. It just causes people to do it purposely or talk about it.

I'll re-address it with him, surprised he hasn't been online yet. He has been notified to contact me as soon as he signs in.
 
No, I do believe this is a mistake of mine, as in to show the rule every 30 seconds because it makes people come to do it more. This is still a rule, we'll get that clear. You broke it, fair enough. But now, after reviewing this topic, I believe you deserve a second chance, but break it again, and you'll be out of here.

As for Dashie, I will have to do some further thinking.
 
I have to agree with EpicEpson, I agree with the rule No talking about 9/11, No joking about 9/11.

Because 9/11 wasn't very nice and it shouldn't be a thing to joke about.

I agree that if you brake your next chance but if you brake it you should be gone.
 
Ok. I'm giving you one last chance, but Dashie will remain banned. I've heard that he was worse out of you two. If he really wants to come back he can appeal his ban on this forum. As for you,

.:UNBANNED:.
 
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